Situasjonen i Ukraina Del 2

[Entenmann]

ISW skriver i natt:
Ukrainian forces launched a significant mechanized counteroffensive operation in western Zaporizhia Oblast on July 26 and appear to have broken through certain pre-prepared Russian defensive positions south of Orikhiv. Russian sources, including the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and several prominent milbloggers, claimed that Ukrainian forces launched an intense frontal assault towards Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv) and broke through Russian defensive positions northeast of the settlement. Geolocated footage indicates that Ukrainian forces likely advanced to within 2.5km directly east of Robotyne during the attack before Russian forces employed standard doctrinal elastic defense tactics and pushed Ukrainian troops back somewhat, although not all the way back to their starting positions

Ut fra videoer som begynner å komme ut så stemmer det med litt fremgang men det går sannelig hard utover utstyret. Hvor mange uker igjen har de tanks å annet utstyr, ut august så er det slutt med dette tempoet?

Ja du krysser vel både armer og bein for at dette tempoet tar slutt.

[pølsa]

ISW skriver i natt:
Ukrainian forces launched a significant mechanized counteroffensive operation in western Zaporizhia Oblast on July 26 and appear to have broken through certain pre-prepared Russian defensive positions south of Orikhiv. Russian sources, including the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and several prominent milbloggers, claimed that Ukrainian forces launched an intense frontal assault towards Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv) and broke through Russian defensive positions northeast of the settlement. Geolocated footage indicates that Ukrainian forces likely advanced to within 2.5km directly east of Robotyne during the attack before Russian forces employed standard doctrinal elastic defense tactics and pushed Ukrainian troops back somewhat, although not all the way back to their starting positions

Ut fra videoer som begynner å komme ut så stemmer det med litt fremgang men det går sannelig hard utover utstyret. Hvor mange uker igjen har de tanks å annet utstyr, ut august så er det slutt med dette tempoet?

Ja du krysser vel både armer og bein for at dette tempoet tar slutt.

Forhandlingsbordet er rette løsning noe de vestlige tydelig har uttalt ikke er mye aktuelt, gitt de uttalelser de har kommet med. Ligger ikke mye om fredelig løsning der foruten at Russland ikke under noen omstendighet må vinne krigen.

[pølsa]

Kan lese at Kievindependent har en artikkel der Biden vil overlevere bevisene til domstolen i Haag i dag.

NYT: Biden orders US government to hand over Russian war crimes evidence to Hague
https://kyivindependent.com/biden-orders-us-government-to-hand-over-russian-war-crimes-evidence-to-hague/


Så er spørsmålet om hvilken moral USA egentlig har i dette tilfellet når man leser TheHill og denne artikkelen:

Biden must overrule the Pentagon and disclose Russia’s war crimes

Yet the Defense Department is reportedly currently blocking the sharing of crucial information gathered by American intelligence agencies with the court. This is despite bipartisan support in Congress and agreement by other U.S. agencies to do so. Its resistance is based on ill-founded fears about the court’s threat to American troops and undermines U.S. commitment to international justice. President Biden must overrule the Pentagon and begin sharing this evidence.
It is not surprising that the Department of Defense is resisting these efforts. The fear of members of its armed forces potentially being tried by the court has strained the relationship between the U.S. and the ICC from its inception. It joined just six other countries in voting against its creation in 1998 and the 2000 Foreign Relations Authorization Act prohibited the U.S. from giving any financial support to the court or extraditing any U.S. citizen to a country that might surrender them to it.
Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it.

The relationship between the U.S. and the court improved somewhat during the Obama administration. The U.S. even played a direct role in the arrest and transfer of two fugitives to the Hague to stand trial. The fear of U.S. troops potentially being held accountable in an international court, however, never went away, and the Obama administration warned the court not to investigate U.S. actions in Afghanistan.

When the court’s prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, formerly requested in 2017 that a case be opened on crimes committed in Afghanistan, including by the CIA and U.S. armed forces, the reaction was fierce. The Trump administration revoked her visa, preventing her from attending meetings at the United Nations, and placed economic sanctions on her and one of her colleagues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3916240-biden-must-overrule-the-pentagon-and-disclose-russias-war-crimes/

[Entenmann]

Kan lese at Kievindependent har en artikkel der Biden vil overlevere bevisene til domstolen i Haag i dag.

NYT: Biden orders US government to hand over Russian war crimes evidence to Hague
https://kyivindependent.com/biden-orders-us-government-to-hand-over-russian-war-crimes-evidence-to-hague/


Så er spørsmålet om hvilken moral USA egentlig har i dette tilfellet når man leser TheHill og denne artikkelen:

Biden must overrule the Pentagon and disclose Russia’s war crimes

Yet the Defense Department is reportedly currently blocking the sharing of crucial information gathered by American intelligence agencies with the court. This is despite bipartisan support in Congress and agreement by other U.S. agencies to do so. Its resistance is based on ill-founded fears about the court’s threat to American troops and undermines U.S. commitment to international justice. President Biden must overrule the Pentagon and begin sharing this evidence.
It is not surprising that the Department of Defense is resisting these efforts. The fear of members of its armed forces potentially being tried by the court has strained the relationship between the U.S. and the ICC from its inception. It joined just six other countries in voting against its creation in 1998 and the 2000 Foreign Relations Authorization Act prohibited the U.S. from giving any financial support to the court or extraditing any U.S. citizen to a country that might surrender them to it.
Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it.

The relationship between the U.S. and the court improved somewhat during the Obama administration. The U.S. even played a direct role in the arrest and transfer of two fugitives to the Hague to stand trial. The fear of U.S. troops potentially being held accountable in an international court, however, never went away, and the Obama administration warned the court not to investigate U.S. actions in Afghanistan.

When the court’s prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, formerly requested in 2017 that a case be opened on crimes committed in Afghanistan, including by the CIA and U.S. armed forces, the reaction was fierce. The Trump administration revoked her visa, preventing her from attending meetings at the United Nations, and placed economic sanctions on her and one of her colleagues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3916240-biden-must-overrule-the-pentagon-and-disclose-russias-war-crimes/

Nei fy! Slemme slemme USA

[Leif_8]

Kan lese at Kievindependent har en artikkel der Biden vil overlevere bevisene til domstolen i Haag i dag.

NYT: Biden orders US government to hand over Russian war crimes evidence to Hague
https://kyivindependent.com/biden-orders-us-government-to-hand-over-russian-war-crimes-evidence-to-hague/


Så er spørsmålet om hvilken moral USA egentlig har i dette tilfellet når man leser TheHill og denne artikkelen:

Biden must overrule the Pentagon and disclose Russia’s war crimes

Yet the Defense Department is reportedly currently blocking the sharing of crucial information gathered by American intelligence agencies with the court. This is despite bipartisan support in Congress and agreement by other U.S. agencies to do so. Its resistance is based on ill-founded fears about the court’s threat to American troops and undermines U.S. commitment to international justice. President Biden must overrule the Pentagon and begin sharing this evidence.
It is not surprising that the Department of Defense is resisting these efforts. The fear of members of its armed forces potentially being tried by the court has strained the relationship between the U.S. and the ICC from its inception. It joined just six other countries in voting against its creation in 1998 and the 2000 Foreign Relations Authorization Act prohibited the U.S. from giving any financial support to the court or extraditing any U.S. citizen to a country that might surrender them to it.
Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it.

The relationship between the U.S. and the court improved somewhat during the Obama administration. The U.S. even played a direct role in the arrest and transfer of two fugitives to the Hague to stand trial. The fear of U.S. troops potentially being held accountable in an international court, however, never went away, and the Obama administration warned the court not to investigate U.S. actions in Afghanistan.

When the court’s prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, formerly requested in 2017 that a case be opened on crimes committed in Afghanistan, including by the CIA and U.S. armed forces, the reaction was fierce. The Trump administration revoked her visa, preventing her from attending meetings at the United Nations, and placed economic sanctions on her and one of her colleagues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3916240-biden-must-overrule-the-pentagon-and-disclose-russias-war-crimes/

Nei fy! Slemme slemme USA

[LD-Johnson]

Kan lese at Kievindependent har en artikkel der Biden vil overlevere bevisene til domstolen i Haag i dag.

NYT: Biden orders US government to hand over Russian war crimes evidence to Hague
https://kyivindependent.com/biden-orders-us-government-to-hand-over-russian-war-crimes-evidence-to-hague/


Så er spørsmålet om hvilken moral USA egentlig har i dette tilfellet når man leser TheHill og denne artikkelen:

Biden must overrule the Pentagon and disclose Russia’s war crimes

Yet the Defense Department is reportedly currently blocking the sharing of crucial information gathered by American intelligence agencies with the court. This is despite bipartisan support in Congress and agreement by other U.S. agencies to do so. Its resistance is based on ill-founded fears about the court’s threat to American troops and undermines U.S. commitment to international justice. President Biden must overrule the Pentagon and begin sharing this evidence.
It is not surprising that the Department of Defense is resisting these efforts. The fear of members of its armed forces potentially being tried by the court has strained the relationship between the U.S. and the ICC from its inception. It joined just six other countries in voting against its creation in 1998 and the 2000 Foreign Relations Authorization Act prohibited the U.S. from giving any financial support to the court or extraditing any U.S. citizen to a country that might surrender them to it.
Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it.

The relationship between the U.S. and the court improved somewhat during the Obama administration. The U.S. even played a direct role in the arrest and transfer of two fugitives to the Hague to stand trial. The fear of U.S. troops potentially being held accountable in an international court, however, never went away, and the Obama administration warned the court not to investigate U.S. actions in Afghanistan.

When the court’s prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, formerly requested in 2017 that a case be opened on crimes committed in Afghanistan, including by the CIA and U.S. armed forces, the reaction was fierce. The Trump administration revoked her visa, preventing her from attending meetings at the United Nations, and placed economic sanctions on her and one of her colleagues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3916240-biden-must-overrule-the-pentagon-and-disclose-russias-war-crimes/

Nei fy! Slemme slemme USA

Passer deg godt.

"Gud" er søppel.

[Omoikane]

When the court’s prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, formerly requested in 2017 that a case be opened on crimes committed in Afghanistan, including by the CIA and U.S. armed forces, the reaction was fierce. The Trump administration revoked her visa, preventing her from attending meetings at the United Nations, and placed economic sanctions on her and one of her colleagues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3916240-biden-must-overrule-the-pentagon-and-disclose-russias-war-crimes/

Viktig å gjenta dette med jevne mellomrom, slik at det blir kjent hva slags alliert vi egentlig har.
Men det er nok en avsporing i denne tråden.

[Leif_8]

Nei fy! Slemme slemme USA

Passer deg godt.

"Gud" er søppel.

Hehe..takk for respons. To "one linere" gir seff +=2..

Søppel? Satanister som sitter å gamer 24/7 vet seff bredere, skål....

Mvhleif, Gud er god...

[Karatel]

Kan lese at Kievindependent har en artikkel der Biden vil overlevere bevisene til domstolen i Haag i dag.

NYT: Biden orders US government to hand over Russian war crimes evidence to Hague
https://kyivindependent.com/biden-orders-us-government-to-hand-over-russian-war-crimes-evidence-to-hague/


Så er spørsmålet om hvilken moral USA egentlig har i dette tilfellet når man leser TheHill og denne artikkelen:

Biden must overrule the Pentagon and disclose Russia’s war crimes

Yet the Defense Department is reportedly currently blocking the sharing of crucial information gathered by American intelligence agencies with the court. This is despite bipartisan support in Congress and agreement by other U.S. agencies to do so. Its resistance is based on ill-founded fears about the court’s threat to American troops and undermines U.S. commitment to international justice. President Biden must overrule the Pentagon and begin sharing this evidence.
It is not surprising that the Department of Defense is resisting these efforts. The fear of members of its armed forces potentially being tried by the court has strained the relationship between the U.S. and the ICC from its inception. It joined just six other countries in voting against its creation in 1998 and the 2000 Foreign Relations Authorization Act prohibited the U.S. from giving any financial support to the court or extraditing any U.S. citizen to a country that might surrender them to it.
Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it.

The relationship between the U.S. and the court improved somewhat during the Obama administration. The U.S. even played a direct role in the arrest and transfer of two fugitives to the Hague to stand trial. The fear of U.S. troops potentially being held accountable in an international court, however, never went away, and the Obama administration warned the court not to investigate U.S. actions in Afghanistan.

When the court’s prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, formerly requested in 2017 that a case be opened on crimes committed in Afghanistan, including by the CIA and U.S. armed forces, the reaction was fierce. The Trump administration revoked her visa, preventing her from attending meetings at the United Nations, and placed economic sanctions on her and one of her colleagues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3916240-biden-must-overrule-the-pentagon-and-disclose-russias-war-crimes/

Nei fy! Slemme slemme USA

Betyr ditt svar at du støtter og forsvarer dette

"Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it."

og mener det er det riktige å gjøre?

[Big George]

CNN skriver fredag kveld:
Kyiv's counteroffensive appears to be entering a more aggressive new phase.

A new video spreading on social media appears to show, for the first time, Ukrainian forces reaching one of Russia's sprawling "dragon's teeth" defensive lines. The concrete anti-tank fortifications are one example of the deeply layered defenses Russia has developed to slow any attempt to take back territory in southern Ukraine.

But Ukraine's top commander on the southern front says Kyiv's forces are making some progress in driving back Russian troops. The general on Friday described intense, ongoing combat in the area he commands, which encompasses southern parts of Donetsk and the Zaporizhzhia region.

[Big George]

ISW skriver i natt:
Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in at least three sectors of the front and reportedly advanced near Bakhmut on July 28. Ukrainian military officials stated that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on the northern and southern flanks of Bakhmut, and Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated on July 27 that Ukrainian forces continued advancing south of Bakhmut. A Russian milblogger claimed on July 28 that Ukrainian forces advanced near Kurdyumivka and Andriivka. Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks along the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border near Staromayorske (9km south of Velyka Novosilka) and Urozhaine (9km south of Velyka Novosilka), and some milbloggers acknowledged that Ukrainian forces captured Staromayorske on July 27. A Ukrainian source claimed that Ukrainian forces have advanced to within 10-12 kilometers of the main Russian defensive line in the Berdyansk direction. Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces repelled Ukrainian ground attacks near Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv), Verbove (17km southeast of Orikhiv), and Pyatykhatky (25km southwest of Orikhiv) in western Zaporizhia Oblast. Russian “Vostok” Battalion Commander Alexander Khodakovsky stated that Ukrainian forces can conduct strikes against the full depth of defending Russian forces and that these strikes are killing Russian commanders and degrading Russian command and control. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that the 247th Guards Air Assault (VDV) Regiment (7th VDV Division) refused to go to combat near Staromayorske due to heavy Russian losses and Ukrainian battlefield victories.

[LD-Johnson]

Passer deg godt.

"Gud" er søppel.

Hehe..takk for respons. To "one linere" gir seff +=2..

Søppel? Satanister som sitter å gamer 24/7 vet seff bredere, skål....

Mvhleif, Gud er god...

Haha gaming er selfølgelig overlegent en små pedo som tror på fantasi figurer

Gud er pedo

[LD-Johnson]

When the court’s prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, formerly requested in 2017 that a case be opened on crimes committed in Afghanistan, including by the CIA and U.S. armed forces, the reaction was fierce. The Trump administration revoked her visa, preventing her from attending meetings at the United Nations, and placed economic sanctions on her and one of her colleagues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3916240-biden-must-overrule-the-pentagon-and-disclose-russias-war-crimes/

Viktig å gjenta dette med jevne mellomrom, slik at det blir kjent hva slags alliert vi egentlig har.
Men det er nok en avsporing i denne tråden.

Jepp viktig å ta det i alle andre tråder enn USA tråden. Dere ser vel på pedoregimet til Vladolf som allierte?

[JauKaninen]

Betyr ditt svar at du støtter og forsvarer dette

"Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it."

og mener det er det riktige å gjøre?

Jeg vet ikke, men hva har 21+ år gamle amerikanske avgjørelser etter å ha blitt angrepet først med Ukraina/Russland å gjøre?

[Entenmann]

Betyr ditt svar at du støtter og forsvarer dette

"Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it."

og mener det er det riktige å gjøre?

Jeg vet ikke, men hva har 21+ år gamle amerikanske avgjørelser etter å ha blitt angrepet først med Ukraina/Russland å gjøre?

Det er fordi man hele tiden skal føre denne krigen over på at USA er mye verre. USA er verst så da er ikke Russland så ille, sånn blir den tankegangen der. Jeg personlig er ingen tilhenger av USA på noen måte men hva de gjorde for to tiår siden har vel ingenting med Russland sitt angrep på Ukraina.

[ablegøye]

Vi må akseptere russernes overgrep, drap, voldtekt, terrorisme etc fordi USA invaderte Irak.

[Tojuling]

Ukraina har tatt i bruk klasevåpen fra USA Klasevåpen som USA donerte tidligere i sommer, er tatt i bruk på slagmarken i Ukraina. Ifølge USA blir de brukt på effektivt vis.
Klasevåpnene begrenser russernes evne til å danne formasjoner og bevege styrkene sine, ifølge talsmann John Kirby i USAs nasjonale sikkerhetsråd.

Ja, klasevåpen brukt av USA er gode og demokratiske, mens russernes bruk av den er krigsforbrytelser:)

Kan du dokumentere at USA har brukt klasevåpen. Og evetuelt hvor?
Viss ikke, sitter du her å lyver.

[Tojuling]

En video fra en ukrainer som har flyktet til Sverige:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJVL3y6v/

Spørreundersøkelsene viser at hans mening er i kraftig mindretall i Ukraina, Zelinsky er mer populært enn noen gang. Enormt populær.

Dette er en lokal "Kari Jaquesson". Hvorfor setter du lit til slike?

Jeg stoler ikke blindt på disse «spørreundersøkelsene» som du så fint kaller det, all den tid opposisjon mot styresmaktene i Ukraina blir slått hardt ned på. Det er rett og slett for farlig å svare ærlig dersom man er kritisk til Zelenskjys regime.
Du slår fast at denne mannen er en lokal idiot man ikke kan lytte til…hvordan vet du egentlig dette? På grunn av budskapet hans alene, eller har du mer bakgrunnsinformasjon?

Han sier at mange millioner ukrainere har forlatt Ukraina fordi de er redde for Zelenskjys regime, ikke på grunn av krigen. Mange millioner, det er mange mennesker.
De tall jeg finner sier att 5,1 millioner har flyktet til Vesten.
Det betyr at om sannhetsvitne ditt har rett, så har alle sammen flyktet fra Zelenskjy og ikke fra krigen.
Dette finner du troverdig uten snev av tvil.

Noen kommentarer på dette?

[Karatel]

Betyr ditt svar at du støtter og forsvarer dette

"Following 9/11, with the U.S. engaged in a global war on terrorism, the Bush administration pressured over 100 states to sign bilateral immunity agreements, requiring them to not surrender U.S. nationals to the court and threatening to cut off economic aid if they did not. The 2002 American Servicemembers Protection Act prohibited U.S. cooperation with the court and authorized military force to liberate any U.S. nationals held by it."

og mener det er det riktige å gjøre?

Jeg vet ikke, men hva har 21+ år gamle amerikanske avgjørelser etter å ha blitt angrepet først med Ukraina/Russland å gjøre?

Det er fordi man hele tiden skal føre denne krigen over på at USA er mye verre. USA er verst så da er ikke Russland så ille, sånn blir den tankegangen der. Jeg personlig er ingen tilhenger av USA på noen måte men hva de gjorde for to tiår siden har vel ingenting med Russland sitt angrep på Ukraina.

Hva slags tåpeligheter er det du lirer av deg her? Du fikk et helt relevant spørsmål og istedet for å svare kommer du med mistenkeliggjøring og insinuasjoner om andre.

Mitt spørsmål har alt med Ukraina å gjøre. Saken er svært enkel, president Bush fikk vedtatt en lov som gir USA rett til å bruke militær makt for å befri enhver amerikaner som blir stilt foran Den internasjonale krigsforbryterdomstolen. USA kan gå til en militær invasjon av Nederland for å befri en amerikaner.

Ingen senere amerikansk president, heller ikke Biden, har løftet en finger for å oppheve denne loven.

Nå har Biden kalt Putin en krigsforbryter som bør stilles for retten.

"Tidligere denne uken sa Joe Biden at Putin bør stilles for retten for sine krigsforbrytelser."

https://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/verden/2022/04/08/195838401/slik-kan-putin-dommes-for-krigsforbrytelser

Biden vil altså ha Putin for en krigsforbryterdomstol samtidig som han er rede til å bruke militær makt for å befri enhver amerikaner som blir stilt for den samme krigsforbryterdomstolen.

Dette er så falskt, hyklersk og skinnhellig som det kan bli. Hvordan kan Biden ha noen troverdighet med en slik dobbeltmoral?

Nå trosser Biden Pentagon ved å gi ICC informasjon som kan få Putin dømt.

"Ifølge en amerikansk myndighetsperson The New York Times har snakket med, skal USAs president Joe Biden ha trosset forsvarsdepartementet og beordret at hemmeligstemplet informasjon fra Ukraina-krigen blir delt med Den internasjonale krigsforbryterdomstolen (ICC) i Haag. En domstol som USA ikke engang anerkjenner.

Avgjørelsen er kontroversiell ettersom USA har nektet å binde seg til domstolen eller la seg underlegge dens lover helt siden den ble opprettet i 1998. Dette for å unngå at egne soldater potensielt blir rettsforfulgt av domstolen, skriver Politico, som også omtaler saken."

https://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/verden/2023/07/27/195938248/joe-biden-trosser-pentagons-anbefalinger-om-dele-russisk-informasjon

Hvis Biden hadde hatt ryggrad, moral og anstendighet ville han han opphevet denne loven til Bush og anerkjent ICC før han kommer med snakk om å stille Putin for retten.

Da spør jeg deg igjen: Hva mener du om denne frekke og skamløse dobbeltmoralen? Mener du dette er greit og slik det skal være? Eller ser du virkelig ikke dobbeltmoralen, hykleriet og skinnhelligheten?

[JauKaninen]

Karatel ønsker gammel MØ-debatt i en tråd om Ukraina/Russland. What else is new.

[lemmen90]

Mitt spørsmål har alt med Ukraina å gjøre. Saken er svært enkel, president Bush fikk vedtatt en lov som gir USA rett til å bruke militær makt for å befri enhver amerikaner som blir stilt foran Den internasjonale krigsforbryterdomstolen. USA kan gå til en militær invasjon av Nederland for å befri en amerikaner.

Ja, det er kjent som "Haag invasion act". USA er heller ikke medlem av ICC. De ratifiserer også svært sjeldent internasjonale konvensjoner. Så hykleriet har nådd nye høyder angående Ukraina-krigen fordi den internasjonale orden har lenge mistet integritet. Håper det blir tatt mer alvorlig igjen når den nye paradigmet får stabilisert seg.

Ukrainerne har en ny stor offensiv nå sør i landet. Det er så langt en reprise av begynnelsen av juli. I mellomtiden utfører russerne en offensiv lenger nord.

[BrannLFC]

Ukraina har tatt i bruk klasevåpen fra USA Klasevåpen som USA donerte tidligere i sommer, er tatt i bruk på slagmarken i Ukraina. Ifølge USA blir de brukt på effektivt vis.
Klasevåpnene begrenser russernes evne til å danne formasjoner og bevege styrkene sine, ifølge talsmann John Kirby i USAs nasjonale sikkerhetsråd.

Ja, klasevåpen brukt av USA er gode og demokratiske, mens russernes bruk av den er krigsforbrytelser:)

Kan du dokumentere at USA har brukt klasevåpen. Og evetuelt hvor?
Viss ikke, sitter du her å lyver.

Did the US use cluster bombs in Iraq war?
2003-06, Iraq War:

Nearly 13,000 cluster munitions were used by the UK and the US during three weeks of combat, according to the CMC.

[Foucault]

Spørreundersøkelsene viser at hans mening er i kraftig mindretall i Ukraina, Zelinsky er mer populært enn noen gang. Enormt populær.

Dette er en lokal "Kari Jaquesson". Hvorfor setter du lit til slike?

Jeg stoler ikke blindt på disse «spørreundersøkelsene» som du så fint kaller det, all den tid opposisjon mot styresmaktene i Ukraina blir slått hardt ned på. Det er rett og slett for farlig å svare ærlig dersom man er kritisk til Zelenskjys regime.
Du slår fast at denne mannen er en lokal idiot man ikke kan lytte til…hvordan vet du egentlig dette? På grunn av budskapet hans alene, eller har du mer bakgrunnsinformasjon?

Han sier at mange millioner ukrainere har forlatt Ukraina fordi de er redde for Zelenskjys regime, ikke på grunn av krigen. Mange millioner, det er mange mennesker.
De tall jeg finner sier att 5,1 millioner har flyktet til Vesten.
Det betyr at om sannhetsvitne ditt har rett, så har alle sammen flyktet fra Zelenskjy og ikke fra krigen.
Dette finner du troverdig uten snev av tvil.

Noen kommentarer på dette?

Nei, Sherlock…all den tid det var Putin som startet denne krigen, er det åpenbart Putin de flykter fra, men at mange flykter på grunn av hvordan tilværelsen er blitt i et krigsrammet og gjennomkorrupt Ukraina, er jeg ikke i tvil om.

Denne mannen beskriver sin frykt for blant annet metodene ukrainske myndigheter bruker for å verve nye «soldater» og sin frustrasjon over det faktum at tusenvis av menn/kvinner, som aldri har avfyrt et gevær i sitt liv, blir sendt til den visse død ved fronten.

Jeg synes det er litt artig å se hvordan du, tilsynelatende på ren refleks, velger å karakterisere denne mannen som «mitt sannhetsvitne». Hvordan resonnerer du egentlig her?

Du har for øvrig helt rett i din skarpe observasjon, jeg siterer: «Mange millioner, det er mange mennesker».

[pølsa]

Ja, klasevåpen brukt av USA er gode og demokratiske, mens russernes bruk av den er krigsforbrytelser:)

Kan du dokumentere at USA har brukt klasevåpen. Og evetuelt hvor?
Viss ikke, sitter du her å lyver.

Did the US use cluster bombs in Iraq war?
2003-06, Iraq War:

Nearly 13,000 cluster munitions were used by the UK and the US during three weeks of combat, according to the CMC.

Kan også bruke "Where did US use cluster bombs" I søket så får man en hærskare av plasser de har brukt dem.

The United States has used cluster munitions with devastating consequences in Southeast Asia (Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam) in the 1960s and 1970s, the Persian Gulf (Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia) in 1991, the former Yugoslavia (now Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo) in 1999, Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002, Iraq in 2003, and--most recently--Yemen in December 2009. US-supplied cluster munitions have been used in combat by Israel in Lebanon and Syria, by Morocco in the Western Sahara, by the UK and the Netherlands in the former Yugoslavia, and by the UK in Iraq.

[JauKaninen]

Did the US use cluster bombs in Iraq war?
2003-06, Iraq War:

Nearly 13,000 cluster munitions were used by the UK and the US during three weeks of combat, according to the CMC.

Hvorfor diskuterer dere 20 år gamle kriger og konflikter?

[Entenmann]

Did the US use cluster bombs in Iraq war?
2003-06, Iraq War:

Nearly 13,000 cluster munitions were used by the UK and the US during three weeks of combat, according to the CMC.

Hvorfor diskuterer dere 20 år gamle kriger og konflikter?

Fordi de har ikke noe annet å gjøre. Er vel få gode Russiske nyheter de kan dele for tiden. Skjer det noe dramatisk som er bra for Ukraina så forsvinner de koen dager til ting har roet seg. Ganske simpel taktikk

[Big George]

Russland får smake sin egen medisin med droner som angriper Moskva. Putin håpet i det lengste å skjerme Moskva og St. Petersburg fra alle sider av krigen eller "spesial-operasjonen" som Putin selv kaller det..
Vi får se om dette vekker befolkningen og gir motstanden mot krigen større støtte.

[Leif_8]

Passer deg godt.

"Gud" er søppel.

Hehe..takk for respons. To "one linere" gir seff +=2..

Søppel? Satanister som sitter å gamer 24/7 vet seff bredere, skål....

Mvhleif, Gud er god...

Haha gaming er selfølgelig overlegent en små pedo som tror på fantasi figurer

Gud er pedo

, Seff er gaming overlegent RL Du burde realisere dine verdier og kjøpe Bitcoin/crypto valuta gud løkk(ta rei lån, go meta)

Hva Gud eventuelt er, tar du når du legger rei i pennalet

Mvhleif, Gud er god

[Leif_8]

Did the US use cluster bombs in Iraq war?
2003-06, Iraq War:

Nearly 13,000 cluster munitions were used by the UK and the US during three weeks of combat, according to the CMC.

Hvorfor diskuterer dere 20 år gamle kriger og konflikter?

Vel, i den grad jeg har diskutert 20+år konflikter, er det et "mønster" jeg er opptatte av:
Alle regimeforandringer opp gjennom 70 og 80 tallet i Sør-Amerika, 50 og 60 tallet i Asia, 80 og 90 tallet i midtøsten osv, har en rekke felles nevnere...det opponeres fks mot demokratiske valg/kuppmakerne innfører facisme,
finansiert av vesten(US)..(corporaisme)



Konflikten i Ukraina er ikke "ny"...bare (nest)siste evolverte variant av en rekke konflikter...Utraderingen av Damaskus, blir starten på slutten, for det anglosaksiske (tror jeg)

The Great America, er sentralt..

Mvhleif, Gud er god

[JauKaninen]

Vel, i den grad jeg har diskutert 20+år konflikter, er det et "mønster" jeg er opptatte av:
Alle regimeforandringer opp gjennom 70 og 80 tallet i Sør-Amerika, 50 og 60 tallet i Asia, 80 og 90 tallet i midtøsten osv, har en rekke felles nevnere...det opponeres fks mot demokratiske valg/kuppmakerne innfører facisme,
finansiert av vesten(US)..(corporaisme)

Konflikten i Ukraina er ikke "ny"...bare (nest)siste evolverte variant av en rekke konflikter...Utraderingen av Damaskus, blir starten på slutten, for det anglosaksiske (tror jeg)

The Great America, er sentralt..

Mvhleif, Gud er god

Det er jo sikkert interessant nok, kan ikke så mye om de konfliktene der. Men hva har det med Ukraina/Russland å gjøre?