En full liste over regelbruddene til Manchester City

[Jolla]

En full liste av reglene som Manchester City er tiltalt for å ha brutt, og reglene som PL-kommisjonen referer til.

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In accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1, the Premier League confirms that it has today referred a number of alleged breaches of the Premier League Rules by Manchester City Football Club ( Club ) to a Commission under Premier League Rule W.3.4.

Details of the Premier League Rules that the Club is alleged to have breached are as follows:

1. In respect of each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those seasons that required provision by a member club to the Premier League, in the utmost good faith, of accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position, in particular with respect to its revenue (including sponsorship revenue), its related parties and its operating costs, namely:
(a) for Season 2009/10, Premier League Rules B.13, C.71, C.72, C.75 (amended to C.79 from 10 September 2009 for the remainder of Season 2009/10) and C.80;
(b) for Season 2010/11, Premier League Rules B.13, C.78, C.79, C.86 and C.87;
(c) for Season 2011/12, Premier League Rules B.13, E.3, 4, E.11 and E.12;
(d) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11 and E.12;
(e) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rules 15, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.49;
(f) for Season 2014/15, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;
(g) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;
(h) for Season 2016/17, Premier League Rules16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51; and
(i) for Season 2017/18, Premier League Rules B.16, 3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51.

2. In respect of:
(a) each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2012/13 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of manager remuneration in its relevant contracts with its manager, namely:
(1) for Seasons 2009/10 to 2011/12 inclusive, Premier League Rules Q.7 and Q.8; and
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules P.7 and P.8; and
(b) each of Seasons 2010/11 to 2015/16 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of player remuneration in its relevant contracts with its players, namely:
(1) for Seasons 2010/11 and 2011/12, Premier League Rules K.12 and K.20;
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.20;
(3) for Seasons 2013/14 and 2014/15, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.19; and
(4) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules T.13 and T.20.

3. In respect of each of Seasons 2013/14 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations, namely:
(a) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rule B.14.6; and
(b) for Seasons 2014/15 to 2017/18 inclusive, Premier League Rule B.15.6.

4. In respect of each of the Seasons 2015/16 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons on Profitability and Sustainability, namely:
(a) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules E.52 to E.60; and
(b) for Seasons 2016/17 and 2017/18, Premier League Rules E.53 to E.60.

5. In respect of the period from December 2018 to date, the Premier League Rules applicable in the relevant Seasons requiring a member club to cooperate with, and assist, the Premier League in its investigations, including by providing documents and information to the Premier League in the utmost good faith, namely:
(a) for Season 2018/19, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(b) for Season 2019/20, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(c) for Season 2020/21, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(d) for Season 2021/22, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16; and
(e) for Season 2022/23, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16.


Commissions are independent of the Premier League and member clubs. The members of the Commission will be appointed by the independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel, in accordance with Premier League Rules W.19, W.20 and W.26.

The proceedings before the Commission will, in accordance with Premier League Rule W.82, be confidential and heard in private. Under Premier League Rule W.82.2, the Commission’s final award will be published on the Premier League’s website.

This confirmation is made in accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1. The Premier League will be making no further comment in respect of this matter until further notice.

Første del, hvor kommisjonen forklarer hvorfor de legger dette frem:

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In accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1(1), the Premier League confirms that it has today referred a number of alleged breaches of the Premier League Rules by Manchester City Football Club ( Club ) to a Commission under Premier League Rule W.3.4.(2)

(1): All proceedings convened under this Section W (Disciplinary) shall be confidential and heard in private, save as follows: where a suspected or alleged breach of the Rules has been referred to a Commission pursuant to Rule W.3.4(2), the Board will confirm the same in public, providing details of the Person suspected or alleged to be in breach and the Rule(s) suspected or alleged to have been breached;
(2): The Board shall have power to deal with any suspected or alleged breach of these Rules by: referring the matter to a Commission appointed under Rule W.19;

Punkt 1, som omhandler Manchester City sine brudd på reglene om å være ærlige i bokføringen sin:

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1. In respect of each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those seasons that required provision by a member club to the Premier League, in the utmost good faith, of accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position, in particular with respect to its revenue (including sponsorship revenue), its related parties and its operating costs, namely:

(a) for Season 2009/10, Premier League Rules B.13(3), C.71(4), C.72(5), C.75 (amended to C.79(6) from 10 September 2009 for the remainder of Season 2009/10) and C.80(7);
(b) for Season 2010/11, Premier League Rules B.13(3), C.78(8), C.79(6), C.86(9) and C.87(10);
(c) for Season 2011/12, Premier League Rules B.13(3), E.3(8), 4(6), E.11(9) and E.12(10);
(d) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules 16(3), E.3(8), E.4(6), E.11(9) and E.12(10);
(e) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rules 15(3), E.3(8), E.4(6), E.11(9), E.12(10) and E.49(11);
(f) for Season 2014/15, Premier League Rules 16(3), E.3(8), E.4(6), E.11(9), E.12(10) and E.50(11);
(g) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules 16(3), E.3(8), E.4(6), E.11(9), E.12(10) and E.50(11);
(h) for Season 2016/17, Premier League Rules16(3), E.3(8), E.4(6), E.11(9), E.12(10) and E.51(11); and
(i) for Season 2017/18, Premier League Rules B.16(3), 3(8), E.4(6), E.11(9), E.12(10) and E.51(11).

(3): In all matters and transactions relating to the League each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with the utmost good faith.
(4): The chairman of the appeal tribunal shall have regard to the procedures governing the proceedings of Commissions and Appeal Boards set out in Section W of these Rules (Disciplinary) but, subject as aforesaid, shall have an overriding discretion as to the manner in which the appeal is conducted.
(5): The Club shall have the burden of proving the matters set out in the appeal. The standard of proof shall be the balance of probabilities.
(6): The accounts referred to in Rule E.3(8) shall: include separate disclosure within the balance sheet or notes to the accounts, or by way of supplementary information separately reported on by its auditors by way of procedures specified by the Board, of the total sums payable and receivable in respect of Compensation Fees, Contingent Sums and Loan Fees; and include a breakdown within the profit and loss account or the notes to the accounts, or by way of supplementary information separately reported on by its auditors by way of procedures specified by the Board, of revenue in appropriate categories such as gate receipts, sponsorship and advertising, broadcasting rights, commercial income and other income.
(7): If the auditors’ report on the accounts submitted pursuant to Rule E.3(8) contains anything other than an unqualified opinion without modification, the Club shall at the Board’s request submit such further documentary evidence as the Board shall require (including, but not limited to, Future Financial Information).
(8): Each Club shall by 1 March in each Season, submit to the Board a copy of its Annual Accounts in respect of its most recent financial year or if the Club considers it appropriate or the Board so requests the Group Accounts of the Group of which it is a member (in either case such accounts to be prepared and audited in accordance with applicable legal and regulatory requirements) together with a copy of the directors’ report for that year and a copy of the auditors’ report on those accounts.
(9): By 31 March in each Season, each Club shall submit to the Board in respect of itself (or if the Club considers it appropriate or the Board so requests in respect of the Group of which it is a member) future financial information comprising projected profit and loss accounts, cash flow, balance sheets and relevant explanatory notes commencing from its accounting reference date or, if it has submitted interim accounts pursuant to Rule E.6, from the date to which those interim accounts were prepared and expiring on the next accounting reference date after the end of the following Season (“Future Financial Information”). The projected profit and loss accounts, cash flow and balance sheets shall be prepared at a maximum of quarterly intervals.
(10): The Future Financial Information shall: be prepared in accordance with the accounting principles adopted in the
preparation of the Club’s Annual Accounts (except where the accounting principles and policies are to be changed in the subsequent Annual Accounts, in which case the new accounting principles and polices should be followed); and be approved in writing by the board of directors of the company to which they relate; and include in the explanatory notes thereto principal assumptions and risks; and include for comparison profit and loss accounts for the period covered by the Annual Accounts and interim accounts submitted pursuant to Rules E.3 and E.6, a forecast for the current financial year and a balance sheet as at the date of the interim accounts submitted pursuant to Rule E.6.
(11): Each Associated Party Transaction must be submitted to the Board (in such form and including such detail as required by the Board) in order for the Board to conduct a Fair Market Value Assessment of it.

Punkt 2, som omhandler Manchester City sine brudd på reglene rundt trener- og spillerkontrakter:

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2. In respect of:
(a) each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2012/13 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of manager remuneration in its relevant contracts with its manager, namely:

(1) for Seasons 2009/10 to 2011/12 inclusive, Premier League Rules Q.7(12) and Q.8(13); and
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules P.7(12) and P.8(13); and

(b) each of Seasons 2010/11 to 2015/16 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of player remuneration in its relevant contracts with its players, namely:

(1) for Seasons 2010/11 and 2011/12, Premier League Rules K.12(14) and K.20(15);
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules T.12(14) and T.20(15);
(3) for Seasons 2013/14 and 2014/15, Premier League Rules T.12(14) and T.19(15); and
(4) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules T.13(14) and T.20(15).

(12): Each Club must provide: full details of a Manager’s remuneration including all benefits to which he is entitled whether in cash or in kind. All such details must be set out in his contract, which must be submitted to the Board within seven clear working days of its coming into full force and effect. It will be a breach of these Rules for a Club to remunerate a Manager or otherwise induce him to sign or extend a contract of employment by offering or providing any payment or benefit (whether directly or indirectly) that is not set out in his contract; and full details of any other Transaction pursuant to which its Manager received or is to receive remuneration from any other Person while they are the Manager of the Club, including all benefits to which they are entitled, whether in cash or in kind. Each Manager must provide the Club with all such information as is necessary to enable the Club to comply with its obgliations under this Rule.
(13): Contracts of employment between a Club and a Manager shall: include the standard clauses set out in Appendix 7; and clearly set out the circumstances in which the contract of employment may be determined by either party.
(14): Full details of a Player’s remuneration including all benefits to which he is entitled whether in cash or in kind shall be set out in his contract (or any amendment to that contract in a form approved by the Board). It will be a breach of these Rules for a Club to remunerate a Player or otherwise induce him to register with the Club and/or sign or extend a contract of employment by offering or providing any payment or benefit (whether directly or indirectly) that is not set out in his contract.
(15): Particulars of any Image Contract Payment in respect of the Player shall be set out in the contract with his Club.

Punkt 3, som omhandler Manchester City sine brudd på UEFA sine FFP-regler:

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3. In respect of each of Seasons 2013/14 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations, namely:

(a) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rule B.14.6(16); and
(b) for Seasons 2014/15 to 2017/18 inclusive, Premier League Rule B.15.6(16).

(16): Membership of the League shall constitute an agreement between the League and Club (both on its own behalf and on behalf of its Officials) and between each Club to be bound by and comply with: the statutes and regulations of UEFA.

Punkt 4, som omhandler Manchester City sine brudd på Premier League sine egne "FFP"-regler. (Ikke så veldig interessant å lese, ettersom at de kun sa at det omhandlet ALLE reglene uten å være spesifikke):

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4. In respect of each of the Seasons 2015/16 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons on Profitability and Sustainability, namely:

(a) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules E.52 to E.60; and
(b) for Seasons 2016/17 and 2017/18, Premier League Rules E.53 to E.60.

Dette er alle reglene som omhandler Profitability og Sustainability, altså dagens E.45 til og med E.50:

Each Club shall by 1 March in each Season submit to the Board: copies of its Annual Accounts for T-1 (and T-2 if these have not previously been submitted to the Board) together with copies of the directors’ report(s) and auditors’ report(s) on those accounts; and its estimated profit and loss account and balance sheet for T which shall: be prepared in all material respects in a format similar to the Club’s Annual Accounts; and be based on the latest information available to the Club and be, to the best of the Club’s knowledge and belief, an accurate estimate as at the time of preparation of future financial performance; and if Rule E.46 applies to the Club, the calculation of its aggregated Adjusted Earnings Before Tax for T, T-1 and T-2 in Form 3A.

If the aggregation of a Club’s Earnings Before Tax for T-1, T-2 and T-3 results in a loss then the Club must submit to the Board the calculation of its Adjusted Earnings Before Tax for each of T, T-1, T-2 and T-3.

If the PSR Calculation results in a loss of up to £15m, then the Board shall determine whether the Club will, until the end of T+1, be able to pay its liabilities described in Rule E.14.7.1 and fulfil the obligations set out in Rules E.14.7.2 and E.14.7.3.

If the PSR Calculation results in a loss of in excess of £15m then the following shall apply: the Club shall provide, by 31 March in the relevant Season, Future Financial Information to cover the period commencing from its last accounting reference date (as defined in section 391 of the Act) until the end of T+2 and a calculation of estimated aggregated Adjusted Earnings Before Tax until the end of T+2 based on that Future Financial Information; the Club shall provide such evidence of Secure Funding as the Board considers sufficient; and if the Club is unable to provide evidence of Secure Funding as set out in Rule E.48.2, the Board may exercise its powers set out in Rule E.15.

If the PSR Calculation results in losses of in excess of £105m: the Board may exercise its powers set out in Rule E.15; and the Club shall be treated as being in breach of these Rules and accordingly the Board shall refer the breach to a Commission constituted pursuant to Section W of these Rules (Disciplinary).

The sum set out in Rule E.49 shall be reduced by £22m for each Season covered by T-1, T-2 and T-3 in which the Club was in membership of The Football League.

Punkt 5, som omhandler Manchester City sine brudd på reglene om å samarbeide med kommisjonens etterforskning:

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5. In respect of the period from December 2018 to date, the Premier League Rules applicable in the relevant Seasons requiring a member club to cooperate with, and assist, the Premier League in its investigations, including by providing documents and information to the Premier League in the utmost good faith, namely:

(a) for Season 2018/19, Premier League Rules B.16(3), B.19(17), W.1(18), W.2(19), W.12(20) and W.13(21);
(b) for Season 2019/20, Premier League Rules B.16(3), B.19(17), W.1(18), W.2(19), W.12(20) and W.13(21);
(c) for Season 2020/21, Premier League Rules B.16(3), B.19(17), W.1(18), W.2(19), W.12(20) and W.13(21);
(d) for Season 2021/22, Premier League Rules B.15(3), B.18(17), W.1(18), W.2(19), W.15(20) and W.16(21); and
(e) for Season 2022/23, Premier League Rules B.15(3), B.18(17), W.1(18), W.2(19), W.15(20) and W.16(21).

(3): In all matters and transactions relating to the League each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with the utmost good faith.
(17): Without prejudice to the League’s powers of inquiry under Rule W.1, each Club shall comply promptly and in full with any request for information made by the League (including, for the avoidance of doubt, any such request made pursuant to a demand from a statutory or regulatory authority).
(18): The Board shall have power to inquire into any suspected or alleged breach of these Rules and for that purpose may require: any Manager, Match Official, Official or Player to appear before it to answer questions and/or provide information; and any such Person or any Club to produce documents.
(19): Any Manager, Match Official, Official or Player who fails to appear before or to produce documents to the Board when required to do so under Rule W.1 shall be in breach of these Rules.
(20): It shall be no answer to a request from the Board to disclose documents or information pursuant to Rule W.1 that such documents or information requested are confidential. All Clubs and Persons subject to these Rules must ensure that any other obligations of confidentiality assumed are made expressly subject to the League’s right of inquiry under these Rules. No Club or Person shall be under an obligation to disclose any documents rendered confidential by either the order of a court of competent jurisdiction or by statute or statutory instrument.
(21): All Persons who are requested to assist pursuant to Rule W.1 shall provide full, complete and prompt assistance to the Board in its exercise of its power of inquiry.

Avslutningen, hvor kommisjonen igjen forklarer hvorfor de legger dette frem og forklarer kommisjonens jobb og rolle:

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Commissions are independent of the Premier League and member clubs. The members of the Commission will be appointed by the independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel, in accordance with Premier League Rules W.19(22), W.20(23) and W.26(24).

The proceedings before the Commission will, in accordance with Premier League Rule W.82(25), be confidential and heard in private. Under Premier League Rule W.82.2, the Commission’s final award will be published on the Premier League’s website.

This confirmation is made in accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1(1). The Premier League will be making no further comment in respect of this matter until further notice.

(22): Subject to Rule W.84, a Commission shall be appointed by the Chair of the Judicial Panel and shall comprise three members of the Disciplinary Panel of whom one, who shall be legally qualified, shall sit as chairman of the Commission.
(23): Subject to Rule W.84, a Commission appointed to deal with a suspected or alleged breach of Rules E.45 to E.49 shall include at least one member of the Disciplinary Panel qualified as set out in Rule W.18.4 (but who shall not sit as the chairman of the Commission, who shall be legally qualified as set out in Rule W.19).
(24): As soon as reasonably practicable following receipt of a complaint, the Chair of the Judicial Panel shall appoint a Commission to hear the complaint, confirm the identities of the Commission members to the Board and the Respondent(s) and require each appointed individual to complete a statement of impartiality in such form as the Chair of the Judicial Panel shall prescribe. Where a party objects to one or more of the appointments made to the Commission, it must raise such objection within two Working Days of the relevant appointment(s), which shall be resolved by the Chair of the Judicial Panel in such manner as he/she thinks fit.
(25): All proceedings convened under this Section W (Disciplinary) shall be confidential
and heard in private, save as follows: where a suspected or alleged breach of the Rules has been referred to a Commission pursuant to Rule W.3.4, the Board will confirm the same in public, providing details of the Person suspected or alleged to be in breach and the Rule(s) suspected or alleged to have been breached; and final awards of any Commission, Interim Commission or Appeal Board shall be confirmed publicly and published on the League’s website; and any Sanction Agreement including either: (a) a fine in excess of £100,000; or (b) a ‘sporting sanction’ of any kind, shall be confirmed publicly and published on the League’s website; and at the conclusion of each Season, the Board will present to Clubs at the subsequent annual general meeting a summary of all disciplinary action taken pursuant to this Section W (Disciplinary) in the preceding 12 months, including (in each case) details of the respondent, the Rule(s) breached and the sanction(s) imposed.
(1): All proceedings convened under this Section W (Disciplinary) shall be confidential and heard in private, save as follows: where a suspected or alleged breach of the Rules has been referred to a Commission pursuant to Rule W.3.4, the Board will confirm the same in public, providing details of the Person suspected or alleged to be in breach and the Rule(s) suspected or alleged to have been breached;

Kilder jeg har brukt:
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Endel regler har endret navn, men er de samme, dette er kun en huskelapp for meg selv mens jeg utformet denne tråden:
B.13 = B.16. = B.15
B.14.6 = B.15.6. = B.14.6.
C.71 = E.39. = E.37.
C.72 = E.40. = E.38.
C.75 = E.43.
C.78 = E.3.
C.79 = E.4.
C.80 = E.5.
C.86 = E.11.
C.87 = E.12.
Q.7 = P.7.
Q.8 = P.8.
K.12 = T.12. = T.13.
K.20 = T.20. = T.19.
R.12(ikke relevant) = W.12. = W.15.
R.13(ikke relevant) = W.13. = W.16.

[newsflash]

Stygg liste.

Tviler imidlertid på at dette vil få særlig konsekvenser.

[Deila]

Stygg liste.

Tviler imidlertid på at dette vil få særlig konsekvenser.

Hva baserer du det på?

[DuncanE]

Er det den samme kommisjonen som har etterforsket dette som eventuelt skal fatte et vedtak?

[newsflash]

Hva baserer du det på?

De har penger og makt. Da slipper en unna med mye.

Det er bare å se hvordan saken smuldret bort når UEFA så på det samme og City anket saken inn for CAS.

[Folk_flesk]

Hva baserer du det på?

De har penger og makt. Da slipper en unna med mye.

Det er bare å se hvordan saken smuldret bort når UEFA så på det samme og City anket saken inn for CAS.

Det blir en bra test på hvor korrupt engelsk fotball er iallefall. Det mest skremmende er at korrupsjonen er så åpenlys på nivået over fotballen - engelsk politikk er jo virkelig et ormebol av bestikkelser og monkey business. Og hva passet vel da bedre enn at Mr Sleazebag himself Boris Johnson var den som trakk i trådene for å sikre MBS eierskapet til Newcastle?

Så da får vi se om noen vil "trekke i trådene" her også. Kanskje vil en våpenhandel med UAE komme i fare?

[TerryMcDermott]

--- The Athletic har også en steg for steg
https://theathletic.com/4159591/2023/02 ... ed-article

[Guarnere]

Hva skal Fraudiola si til dette?
Han skulle jo ta hatten sin å gå om araberne hadde løyet....

[Jolla]

Angående uttalelsene om at PL-reglene tilsier at dette ikke kan ankes til CAS så er det godt mulig at det stemmer (jeg har ikke funnet noe annet enn denne som det nærmeste "The Committee shall not be bound by any enactment or rule of law relating to the admissibility of evidence in proceedings before a court of law.")

Men jeg tenker at uansett om det er imot PL-reglene å anke, så kommer Manchester City til å anke en eventuell straff til CAS (ikke nødvendigvis domfellelsen, men straffen). Dette er sammenlignbart med at et land kan ha regler som sier at borgerne til landet ikke har lov til å anke sine saker til den internasjonale domstolen i Haag, uten at det betyr at domstolen i Haag ikke kan ta opp saken og så forsøke å få sin domfellelse til å ha effekt i det landet det måtte gjelde.

[Jolla]

Jeg tenker at Manchester City her kommer til å bli hardt straffet - ikke kun et klaps på hånden - i hvert fall grunnet feil bokføring, som er relativt lett å bevise kontra kontrakter og FFP.

Jeg er usikker på hvor lang tid det kommer til å ta før straffen kommer i effekt, men jeg vil ikke være overrasket hvis minst én av straffene blir utdelt allerede dette året, men hvor da Manchester City i ettertid vil jobbe for å få straffen strøket / forandret.
Saken som helhet tror jeg at vil pågå i flere år.

[Jolla]

Viktig å få med seg at denne kommisjonen begynte dette arbeidet i 2018 og hadde da som oppgave å jobbe med regelbruddene frem til og med 17/18-sesongen. Således så har de ikke etterforsket regelbrudd angående kontrakter, FFP eller bokføring etter dette, men Manchester City er tiltalt for å ikke fullt og helt ha jobbet sammen med kommisjonen i deres etterforsking i årene 2018-2023.

[Jolla]

PL burde gå gjennom samtlige klubber egentlig på samme måte som med City når de først er i gang. Her er mangle klubber som opererer i "gråsoner" er jeg ganske sikker på.

Angående en rekke av bruddene så virker det som om bigwin har et godt poeng her.

Det har ikke kommet klart frem at det er pengeinnskudd hovedsaklig som er det som Manchester City blir straffet for (selv om det er det folk naturligvis går ut ifra siden det er Manchester City det gjelder, kontra hvis denne pressemeldingen hadde omhandlet Burnley).

Når det kommer til slike ting som å ikke helt 100% følge håndboken sine regler når det kommer til hvilken andel av reklameinntekter og lignende som spilleren kontra klubben skal ha, og det å korrekt rapportere alle former for inntekt via de korrekte skjemaene til korrekt tid, så tror jeg at det er mange klubber som har brutt reglene.

[Jolla]

Er det den samme kommisjonen som har etterforsket dette som eventuelt skal fatte et vedtak?

Det er slik jeg har forstått det. Men først skal Manchester City få mulighet til å svare for seg på de forskjellige punktene.

[Deila]

Hva baserer du det på?

De har penger og makt. Da slipper en unna med mye.

Det er bare å se hvordan saken smuldret bort når UEFA så på det samme og City anket saken inn for CAS.

Det er vel ikke helt sammenlignbart. Dette er på et helt annet nivå og etterforskningen har pågått over flere år, hvor de har avdekket langt flere og grovere lovbrudd.

[MurderOnZidanesFloor]

Søppelklubb. Finnes det City-fans her inne som kan forklare hvordan de klarer å støtte klubben, vel vitende om at all suksessen er bygd på kriminalitet?

For første gang når slike anklager har blitt offentliggjort mot City har jeg faktisk troa på at det vil få konsekvenser. Dette virker lett og slett for stort til at de kan komme seg unna. Spesielt med bakteppet hvor Newcastle og Chelsea garantert følger spent med på hva som blir av dette, og at United og Liverpool straks skal få nye eiere hvor sikkert noen av interessentene har lignende grandiose planer er det viktig for integriteten til Premier League at slikt får konsekvenser.

[startelver]

Hva skal Fraudiola si til dette?
Han skulle jo ta hatten sin å gå om araberne hadde løyet....

Det ryktes på twitter at Chelsea skal være interessert i Pep. Amerikaneren har åpnet en ekstra pengesekk.

[Eldon]

Det ryktes på twitter at Chelsea skal være interessert i Pep. Amerikaneren har åpnet en ekstra pengesekk.

Da hadde jeg gitt opp. Begynt å følge vannpolo eller noe. Evt. Wrexham og bli med på The Reynolds Revolution.

[TheOpiate]

Da hadde jeg gitt opp. Begynt å følge vannpolo eller noe. Evt. Wrexham og bli med på The Reynolds Revolution.

Stakkars Rob McElhenney. Ingen som husker han....

[Jolla]

En god forklaring fra Kaveh Solhekol:

[Retnuh]

Søppelklubb. Finnes det City-fans her inne som kan forklare hvordan de klarer å støtte klubben, vel vitende om at all suksessen er bygd på kriminalitet?

Skal de plutselig begynne å bry seg? De har vært fullstendig klare over dette siden de ble kjøpt opp. De har konsekvent gitt fullstendig blaffen, så lenge trofeene har rullet inn.

Nei, mesteparten av denne «fansen» melder nok snart overgang tilbake til gamleklubben Chelsea. Så slipper de å snakke mer om dette.

[Orakelet]

Men jeg tenker at uansett om det er imot PL-reglene å anke, så kommer Manchester City til å anke en eventuell straff til CAS (ikke nødvendigvis domfellelsen, men straffen). Dette er sammenlignbart med at et land kan ha regler som sier at borgerne til landet ikke har lov til å anke sine saker til den internasjonale domstolen i Haag, uten at det betyr at domstolen i Haag ikke kan ta opp saken og så forsøke å få sin domfellelse til å ha effekt i det landet det måtte gjelde.

En vesentlig forskjell på Haag og CAS er at CAS er voldgift. Voldgift krever at begge parter er enige om at de skal behandle saken og det er grunn til å tro at PL vil være negativ til det.

Jeg har mer tro på at vi kan få se en klage til den Europeiske menneskerettsdomstolen (EMD). Menneskerettighetene gjelder mye mer enn det folk flest forbinder med menneskerettigheter og blant annet gjelder en rett til "fair trial", som blant annet stiller krav til hvor raskt en dom skal komme. Hvis Citys advokater klarer å "klemme" saken inn i det regelverket vil de fort vinne på de eldste årene. Disse bruddene er for gamle etter EMD-målestokk.

[Guarnere]

Men jeg tenker at uansett om det er imot PL-reglene å anke, så kommer Manchester City til å anke en eventuell straff til CAS (ikke nødvendigvis domfellelsen, men straffen). Dette er sammenlignbart med at et land kan ha regler som sier at borgerne til landet ikke har lov til å anke sine saker til den internasjonale domstolen i Haag, uten at det betyr at domstolen i Haag ikke kan ta opp saken og så forsøke å få sin domfellelse til å ha effekt i det landet det måtte gjelde.

En vesentlig forskjell på Haag og CAS er at CAS er voldgift. Voldgift krever at begge parter er enige om at de skal behandle saken og det er grunn til å tro at PL vil være negativ til det.

Jeg har mer tro på at vi kan få se en klage til den Europeiske menneskerettsdomstolen (EMD). Menneskerettighetene gjelder mye mer enn det folk flest forbinder med menneskerettigheter og blant annet gjelder en rett til "fair trial", som blant annet stiller krav til hvor raskt en dom skal komme. Hvis Citys advokater klarer å "klemme" saken inn i det regelverket vil de fort vinne på de eldste årene. Disse bruddene er for gamle etter EMD-målestokk.

Hva snakker du om? Du mener økonomisk kriminalitet ikke kan straffes etter noen få år? Finnes mange eksempler om folk som blir straffet for forhold mange tiår tilbake i tid. Menneskerettigheter. Ja du verden du. Abu Dhabi gjengen. Synes jeg ser det

[Ohlaien]

Synes det er merkelig at man skal gå etter en foregangsklubb som City. Til dels det samme med Chelsea. Her kommer det klubber som har ligget nede i sumpen, som med City, som slet på tredje nivå for noen år siden. Bygger så sten for sten, og kan til slutt utfordre de store klubbene om pokalene. Mulig det har kommet inn et par eiere, som kan ha noe skitt på neglene, men som jeg ofte sier fritt efter et forbilde jeg ikke husker navnet på:

Det e no itj alle som er heldige og vinner Jackpoten i lotteriet.

[Orakelet]

Hva snakker du om? Du mener økonomisk kriminalitet ikke kan straffes etter noen få år? Finnes mange eksempler om folk som blir straffet for forhold mange tiår tilbake i tid. Menneskerettigheter. Ja du verden du. Abu Dhabi gjengen. Synes jeg ser det

Jørgen Vassbakk kan straffes for forhold mange år tilbake i tid fordi politiet fant nye bevis relativt nylig. Hvis det var slik at de hadde hatt alle bevisene i lang tid, men somlet ville det blitt et stort problem ift EMD. Lang tid er ikke noe problem hvis den kan begrunnes godt, men jeg er usikker på om PL kan begrunne godt at brudd i 2009 først tiltales i 2023. Jeg er redd disse første årene ryker hvis det klarer å få saken inn under EMD.

Abu Dhabi gjengen beskyttes ikke av EMD, men den engelske klubben City, som er subjektet som straffes, blir muligens det.

[Investor]

Nå må Brauten faktisk begynne å tenke på ny klubb.
City er nå så stigmatisert og forbundet med skamløs økonomisk doping m.m. at klubbskifte er uungåelig på rimelig kort sikt skal han fortsette å prestere på høyt nivå, også for landslaget. Klubben og laget må jo blir negativt påvirket av dette.

[MentalM]

Hva snakker du om? Du mener økonomisk kriminalitet ikke kan straffes etter noen få år? Finnes mange eksempler om folk som blir straffet for forhold mange tiår tilbake i tid. Menneskerettigheter. Ja du verden du. Abu Dhabi gjengen. Synes jeg ser det

Jørgen Vassbakk kan straffes for forhold mange år tilbake i tid fordi politiet fant nye bevis relativt nylig. Hvis det var slik at de hadde hatt alle bevisene i lang tid, men somlet ville det blitt et stort problem ift EMD. Lang tid er ikke noe problem hvis den kan begrunnes godt, men jeg er usikker på om PL kan begrunne godt at brudd i 2009 først tiltales i 2023. Jeg er redd disse første årene ryker hvis det klarer å få saken inn under EMD.

Abu Dhabi gjengen beskyttes ikke av EMD, men den engelske klubben City, som er subjektet som straffes, blir muligens det.

Hvis man kan bevise at City ikke har vært samarbeidsvillige og gitt feilaktig informasjon faller foreldelseskravet. Samtidig er settingen spesiell mtp PL sine regler som kan gjøre det vanskelig å blande inn mange andre instanser.

Spent på hva som skjer i hvert fall!

[b0lle]

Hva skal Fraudiola si til dette?
Han skulle jo ta hatten sin å gå om araberne hadde løyet....

Det ryktes på twitter at Chelsea skal være interessert i Pep. Amerikaneren har åpnet en ekstra pengesekk.

Stemmer. Det snakkes om en 17,5 års kontrakt.

[Orakelet]

Hvis man kan bevise at City ikke har vært samarbeidsvillige og gitt feilaktig informasjon faller foreldelseskravet. Samtidig er settingen spesiell mtp PL sine regler som kan gjøre det vanskelig å blande inn mange andre instanser.

Spent på hva som skjer i hvert fall!

Ja, enig det og det er vel mye som tyder på at City har gjort alt de kan for å ødelegge for etterforskningen og det begrunner mer tid. På en annen side visste man allerede etter CAS-dommen at klubben hadde begått brudd som ikke var foreldet etter PL-reglene.

Enig i at det blir spennende. Jeg var sikker på domfellelse i CAS så jeg tørr ikke gjøre det igjen, men det ser lovende ut så langt.

[fazz]

Hvem skulle vel ha trodd at Jihad Cola og inifidel telekom var bare frontfirmaer hvor en kunne lure penger gjennom på oppblåste sponsorer

[arknath]

Om man ikke klarer å få det korrupte systemet til å straffe dem så må det i allefall bli nok bråk nok til å skremme vekk andre sjeiker fra å "investere" i PL.