FBI: Ingen bevis for at 6. januar var et planlagt angrep

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Ser ut som J6 komiteen vil anbefale tiltale ovenfor Trump



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Noen som kjenner til foreldelsesfristen for straffbare forhold i USA? Hvis Trump f.eks. blir president, er tiltale sannsynligvis aktuelt først i 2029. Antakelig at de holder seg unna en stillende presidentkandidat i mine øyne.

Ser for meg at conspiracy to defraud the US har lang foreldelseslengde.

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Centrist skrev: man des 19, 2022 12:34 am Noen som kjenner til foreldelsesfristen for straffbare forhold i USA? Hvis Trump f.eks. blir president, er tiltale sannsynligvis aktuelt først i 2029. Antakelig at de holder seg unna en stillende presidentkandidat i mine øyne.

Ser for meg at conspiracy to defraud the US har lang foreldelseslengde.
Den generelle regelen i det føderale lovverket er 5 år, men det er mange unntak. Feks foreldes drap og terroisme aldri.
https://www.bayarea-attorney.com/federa ... s%20passed.

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Trump vil vel være i midten av 80årene før han da blir stilt til ansvar, og jeg ser ikke helt at han kommer til å bli en 90års mann.

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GoingKronos skrev: man des 19, 2022 10:05 am Trump vil vel være i midten av 80årene før han da blir stilt til ansvar, og jeg ser ikke helt at han kommer til å bli en 90års mann.
Det kan du nok ha rett i, men hans far ble vel ganske gammel.

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Da er det offisielt, 6. januar komiteen anbefaler at Trump siktes for tre lovbrudd i forbindelse med kongress stormingen.

https://www.nrk.no/urix/6.-januar-komit ... 1.16226876

"Komitéen anbefaler at Trump siktes for å ha «konspirert for å gi en feilaktig uttalelse», «obstruert Kongressens offisielle aktiviteter», «konspirert for å bedra USA», og «vært delaktig i opprør».

Det siste lovbruddet kan straffes med opptil 10 års fengsel og en bot på opptil 10.000 dollar.

Komitéens ni medlemmer vedtok forslaget enstemmig.
"

Slett ikke sikkert at det blir tatt ut tiltale mot Trump, men dette bør jo uansett være spikeren i kista i forhold til president ambisjonene.

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Donald i hardt vær ja.

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newsflash skrev: man des 19, 2022 8:50 pm Da er det offisielt, 6. januar komiteen anbefaler at Trump siktes for tre lovbrudd i forbindelse med kongress stormingen.

https://www.nrk.no/urix/6.-januar-komit ... 1.16226876

"Komitéen anbefaler at Trump siktes for å ha «konspirert for å gi en feilaktig uttalelse», «obstruert Kongressens offisielle aktiviteter», «konspirert for å bedra USA», og «vært delaktig i opprør».

Det siste lovbruddet kan straffes med opptil 10 års fengsel og en bot på opptil 10.000 dollar.

Komitéens ni medlemmer vedtok forslaget enstemmig.
"

Slett ikke sikkert at det blir tatt ut tiltale mot Trump, men dette bør jo uansett være spikeren i kista i forhold til president ambisjonene.
Tror det når jeg ser det. Blir vel trenert i rettssystemet og vipps så er det valg og Donald stiller om så som uavhengig kandidat for å gi en langfinger til GOP.

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stc887 skrev: man des 19, 2022 9:25 pm
Slett ikke sikkert at det blir tatt ut tiltale mot Trump, men dette bør jo uansett være spikeren i kista i forhold til president ambisjonene.
Tror det når jeg ser det. Blir vel trenert i rettssystemet og vipps så er det valg og Donald stiller om så som uavhengig kandidat for å gi en langfinger til GOP.
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Spørs jo hvor populær han er etter NFT stuntet sitt.

Av en eller annen grunn var dette tungen på vektskålen for mange med Trump, at der gikk grensa.

Men han ønsker vel å ødelegge mest mulig for GOP på veien ned uansett ja.

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Tar gjerne Trump som uavhengig kandidat, 10 av 10 leopards ate my face-materiale.

Texas_John

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Kjøpt og betalt.

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FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot

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Texas_John skrev: man des 19, 2022 9:56 pm Kjøpt og betalt.

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FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot
Og det enda fleire av Trump sine allierte er dømt for å vere involvert i opprøret.

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MRSA skrev: man des 19, 2022 10:20 pm
Texas_John skrev: man des 19, 2022 9:56 pm Kjøpt og betalt.

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FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot
Og det enda fleire av Trump sine allierte er dømt for å vere involvert i opprøret.
Den siste var vel Elmer.

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Rainmaker skrev: man des 19, 2022 10:33 pm
MRSA skrev: man des 19, 2022 10:20 pm
Texas_John skrev: man des 19, 2022 9:56 pm Kjøpt og betalt.

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FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot
Og det enda fleire av Trump sine allierte er dømt for å vere involvert i opprøret.
Den siste var vel Elmer.
Elmer Fudd? Hadde gitt mening.

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stc887 skrev: man des 19, 2022 10:37 pm
Rainmaker skrev: man des 19, 2022 10:33 pm
MRSA skrev: man des 19, 2022 10:20 pm

Og det enda fleire av Trump sine allierte er dømt for å vere involvert i opprøret.
Den siste var vel Elmer.
Elmer Fudd? Hadde gitt mening.
Elmer Stewart Rhodes.

Omtrent like flink med våpen. Skjøt seg selv i øyet..

Texas_John

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Donald Trump NFT Collection Sells Out, Price Surges
Are Now Trading for as Much as $44,000
https://news.artnet.com/market/trump-nf ... ut-2231544

Årets julegave? Trenger ikke å være Warren Buffett for å forstå at disse NFTene vil være verdt 10+ gangeren om noen år.

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newsflash skrev: man des 19, 2022 8:50 pm Da er det offisielt, 6. januar komiteen anbefaler at Trump siktes for tre lovbrudd i forbindelse med kongress stormingen.

https://www.nrk.no/urix/6.-januar-komit ... 1.16226876

"Komitéen anbefaler at Trump siktes for å ha «konspirert for å gi en feilaktig uttalelse», «obstruert Kongressens offisielle aktiviteter», «konspirert for å bedra USA», og «vært delaktig i opprør».

Det siste lovbruddet kan straffes med opptil 10 års fengsel og en bot på opptil 10.000 dollar.

Komitéens ni medlemmer vedtok forslaget enstemmig.
"

Slett ikke sikkert at det blir tatt ut tiltale mot Trump, men dette bør jo uansett være spikeren i kista i forhold til president ambisjonene.
Akkurat dette får jo ingen betydning for hans presidentambisjoner. Hverken han eller hans tilhengere har tilitt denne kommisjonen. Og de som er usikre på om de skal stemme på ham vet jo allerede hva kommisjonen har funnet ut.

oddvar_kjempebra

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Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:43 am Donald Trump NFT Collection Sells Out, Price Surges
Are Now Trading for as Much as $44,000
https://news.artnet.com/market/trump-nf ... ut-2231544

Årets julegave? Trenger ikke å være Warren Buffett for å forstå at disse NFTene vil være verdt 10+ gangeren om noen år.
44.000 dollar er et røverkjøp Texas_John. Her må du kjøpe så mange som du klarer.
Sist redigert av oddvar_kjempebra den tir des 20, 2022 9:02 am, redigert 1 gang totalt.

Chromeback

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oddvar_kjempebra skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:51 am
Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:43 am Donald Trump NFT Collection Sells Out, Price Surges
Are Now Trading for as Much as $44,000
https://news.artnet.com/market/trump-nf ... ut-2231544

Årets julegave? Trenger ikke å være Warren Buffett for å forstå at disse NFTene vil være verdt 10+ gangeren om noen år.
44.000 dolllar er et røverkjøp Texas_John. Her må du kjøpe så mange som du klarer.
Har hørt de har noen fine vannmerker på seg også, så man er helt sikker på at de er riktige.

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oddvar_kjempebra skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:51 am 44.000 dolllar er et røverkjøp Texas_John. Her må du kjøpe så mange som du klarer.
VI får se. Fra 99 dollars til 44 000 på noen dager gir vel en pen avkastning, selv med norsk skattetrykk.

oddvar_kjempebra

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Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:56 am
oddvar_kjempebra skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:51 am 44.000 dolllar er et røverkjøp Texas_John. Her må du kjøpe så mange som du klarer.
VI får se. Fra 99 dollars til 44 000 på noen dager gir vel en pen avkastning, selv med norsk skattetrykk.
Hvis du mener de vil være verdt 10 ganger mer (enn dagens 44.000 dollar) om noen år må du jo være idiot hvis du ikke kjøper så mye som du kan. Du kan jo låne penger til langt lavere kostnad enn det du vil få i gevinst.

Eneste grunnen til å ikke å gjøre det er hvis du faktisk ikke tror på dine egne spådommer...

oddvar_kjempebra

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Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:43 am Donald Trump NFT Collection Sells Out, Price Surges
Are Now Trading for as Much as $44,000
https://news.artnet.com/market/trump-nf ... ut-2231544

Årets julegave? Trenger ikke å være Warren Buffett for å forstå at disse NFTene vil være verdt 10+ gangeren om noen år.
Vel, faktum er at du ihvertfall ikke må være Warren Buffet. Fordi han har ingen tro på dette i det hele tatt.
Sist redigert av oddvar_kjempebra den tir des 20, 2022 9:32 am, redigert 1 gang totalt.

Texas_John

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oddvar_kjempebra skrev: tir des 20, 2022 9:12 am
Hvis du mener de vil være verdt 10 ganger mer (enn dagens 44.000 dollar) om noen år må du jo være idiot hvis du ikke kjøper så mye som du kan. Du kan jo låne penger til langt lavere kostnad enn det du vil få i gevinst.

Eneste grunnen til å ikke å gjøre det er hvis du faktisk ikke tror på dine egne spådommer...
Er det virkelig den eneste grunnen, altså. Hva hvis jeg mener jeg kan få enda bedre avkastning andre steder?

oddvar_kjempebra

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Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 9:29 am
oddvar_kjempebra skrev: tir des 20, 2022 9:12 am
Hvis du mener de vil være verdt 10 ganger mer (enn dagens 44.000 dollar) om noen år må du jo være idiot hvis du ikke kjøper så mye som du kan. Du kan jo låne penger til langt lavere kostnad enn det du vil få i gevinst.

Eneste grunnen til å ikke å gjøre det er hvis du faktisk ikke tror på dine egne spådommer...
Er det virkelig den eneste grunnen, altså. Hva hvis jeg mener jeg kan få enda bedre avkastning andre steder?
Nei, det har du rett i. Men fortell meg gjerne hvilke investeringer du mener du kan få mer en ti-gangeren på noen få år.

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Neida, valget var ikke rigga


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Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:56 am
oddvar_kjempebra skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:51 am 44.000 dolllar er et røverkjøp Texas_John. Her må du kjøpe så mange som du klarer.
VI får se. Fra 99 dollars til 44 000 på noen dager gir vel en pen avkastning, selv med norsk skattetrykk.
Hvitvasking herfra til evigheten. I tillegg til å lure enda mer penger fra komplette idioter

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Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:43 am Donald Trump NFT Collection Sells Out, Price Surges
Are Now Trading for as Much as $44,000
https://news.artnet.com/market/trump-nf ... ut-2231544

Årets julegave? Trenger ikke å være Warren Buffett for å forstå at disse NFTene vil være verdt 10+ gangeren om noen år.
the collection failed to crack the top 10 on OpenSea, being outsold by something called “The Legend of Cockpunch.”

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Texas_John skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:56 am
oddvar_kjempebra skrev: tir des 20, 2022 8:51 am 44.000 dolllar er et røverkjøp Texas_John. Her må du kjøpe så mange som du klarer.
VI får se. Fra 99 dollars til 44 000 på noen dager gir vel en pen avkastning, selv med norsk skattetrykk.
Glemeg til å se dipen når Trump må trekke hele kolleksjonen pga han trolig har brukt bilder han ikke har opphavsretten til. Fra 99 til 44000 og så 0.

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17 funn i komitéens rapport:

1. Beginning on election night and continuing through 6 January and thereafter, President Donald Trump purposely disseminated false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid his effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions. These false claims provoked his supporters to violence on January 6.

2. Knowing that he and his supporters had lost dozens of election lawsuits, and despite his own senior advisers refuting his election fraud claims and urging him to concede his election loss, Trump refused to accept the lawful result of the 2020 election. Rather than honor his constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed”, Trump instead plotted to overturn the election outcome.

3. Despite knowing that such an action would be illegal, and that no state had or would submit an altered electoral slate, Trump corruptly pressured vice-president Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes during Congress’s joint session on January 6.

4. Trump sought to corrupt the US Department of Justice by attempting to enlist department officials to make purposely false statements and thereby aid his effort to overturn the presidential election. After that effort failed, Trump offered the position of acting attorney general to Jeff Clark knowing that Clark intended to disseminate false information aimed at overturning the election.

5. Without any evidentiary basis and contrary to state and federal law, Trump unlawfully pressured state officials and legislators to change the results of the election in their states.

6. Trump oversaw an effort to obtain and transmit false electoral certificates to Congress and the National Archives.

7. Trump pressured members of Congress to object to valid slates of electors from several states.

8. Trump purposely verified false information filed in federal court.

9. Based on false allegations that the election was stolen, Trump summoned tens of thousands of supporters to Washington for January 6. Although these supporters were angry and some were armed, Donald Trump instructed them to march to the Capitol on January 6 to “take back” their country.

10. Knowing that a violent attack on the Capitol was underway and knowing that his words would incite further violence, Trump purposely sent a social media message publicly condemning vice-president Pence at 2.24pm on January 6.

11. Knowing that violence was underway at the Capitol, and despite his duty to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed, Trump refused repeated requests over a multiple-hour period that he instruct his violent supporters to disperse and leave the Capitol, and instead watched the violent attack unfold on television. This failure to act perpetuated the violence at the Capitol and obstructed Congress’s proceeding to count electoral votes.

12. Each of these actions by Trump was taken in support of a multi-part conspiracy to overturn the lawful results of the 2020 presidential election.

13. The intelligence community and law enforcement agencies did successfully detect the planning for potential violence on January 6, including planning specifically by the Proud Boys and Oath Keeper militia groups who ultimately led the attack on the Capitol. As January 6 approached, the intelligence specifically identified the potential for violence at the US Capitol. This intelligence was shared within the executive branch, including with the Secret Service and the president’s National Security Council.

14. Intelligence gathered in advance of January 6 did not support a conclusion that Antifa or other leftwing groups would likely engage in a violent counterdemonstration, or attack Trump supporters on January 6. Indeed, intelligence from January 5 indicated that some left-wing groups were instructing their members to “stay at home” and not attend on January. Ultimately, none of these [leftwing] groups was involved to any material extent with the attack on the Capitol on January 6.

15. Neither the intelligence community nor law enforcement obtained intelligence in advance of January 6 on the full extent of the ongoing planning by president Trump, John Eastman, Rudolph Giuliani and their associates to overturn the certified election results. Such agencies apparently did not (and potentially could not) anticipate the provocation Trump would offer the crowd in his Ellipse speech, that Trump would “spontaneously” instruct the crowd to march to the Capitol, that Trump would exacerbate the violent riot by sending his 2.24pm tweet condemning Pence, or the full scale of the violence and lawlessness that would ensue. Nor did law enforcement anticipate that Trump would refuse to direct his supporters to leave the Capitol once violence began. No intelligence community advance analysis predicted exactly how Trump would behave; no such analysis recognized the full scale and extent of the threat to the Capitol on January 6.

16. Hundreds of Capitol and DC Metropolitan police officers performed their duties bravely on January 6, and America owes those individual immense gratitude for their courage in the defense of Congress and our constitution. Without their bravery, January 6 would have been far worse. Although certain members of the Capitol Police leadership regarded their approach to January as “all hands on deck,” the Capitol Police leadership did not have sufficient assets in place to address the violent and lawless crowd. Capitol Police leadership did not anticipate the scale of the violence that would ensue after Trump instructed tens of thousands of his supporters in the Ellipse crowd to march to the Capitol, and then tweeted at 2.24pm. Although Chief Steven Sund raised the idea of National Guard support, the Capitol Police board did not request Guard assistance prior to January 6. The Metropolitan Police took an even more proactive approach to January 6 and deployed roughly 800 officers, including responding to the emergency calls for help at the Capitol. Rioters still managed to break their line in certain locations, when the crowd surged forward in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s 2.24pm tweet. The Department of Justice readied a group of federal agents at Quantico and in the District of Columbia, anticipating that January 6 could become violent, and then deployed those agents once it became clear that police at the Capitol were overwhelmed. Agents from the Department of Homeland Security were also deployed to assist.

17. Trump had authority and responsibility to direct deployment of the National Guard in the District of Columbia, but never gave any order to deploy the National Guard on January 6 or on any other day. Nor did he instruct any federal law enforcement agency to assist. Because the authority to deploy the National Guard had been delegated to the Department of Defense, the secretary of defense could, and ultimately did, deploy the Guard. Although evidence identifies a likely miscommunication between members of the civilian leadership in the Department of Defense impacting the timing of deployment, the committee has found no evidence that the Department of Defense intentionally delayed deployment of the National Guard. The Select Committee recognizes that some at the department had genuine concerns, counselling caution, that Trump might give an illegal order to use the military in support of his efforts to overturn the election.

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Hardy-guttene skrev: fre des 23, 2022 6:32 am 17 funn i komitéens rapport:

1. Beginning on election night and continuing through 6 January and thereafter, President Donald Trump purposely disseminated false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid his effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions. These false claims provoked his supporters to violence on January 6.

2. Knowing that he and his supporters had lost dozens of election lawsuits, and despite his own senior advisers refuting his election fraud claims and urging him to concede his election loss, Trump refused to accept the lawful result of the 2020 election. Rather than honor his constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed”, Trump instead plotted to overturn the election outcome.

3. Despite knowing that such an action would be illegal, and that no state had or would submit an altered electoral slate, Trump corruptly pressured vice-president Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes during Congress’s joint session on January 6.

4. Trump sought to corrupt the US Department of Justice by attempting to enlist department officials to make purposely false statements and thereby aid his effort to overturn the presidential election. After that effort failed, Trump offered the position of acting attorney general to Jeff Clark knowing that Clark intended to disseminate false information aimed at overturning the election.

5. Without any evidentiary basis and contrary to state and federal law, Trump unlawfully pressured state officials and legislators to change the results of the election in their states.

6. Trump oversaw an effort to obtain and transmit false electoral certificates to Congress and the National Archives.

7. Trump pressured members of Congress to object to valid slates of electors from several states.

8. Trump purposely verified false information filed in federal court.

9. Based on false allegations that the election was stolen, Trump summoned tens of thousands of supporters to Washington for January 6. Although these supporters were angry and some were armed, Donald Trump instructed them to march to the Capitol on January 6 to “take back” their country.

10. Knowing that a violent attack on the Capitol was underway and knowing that his words would incite further violence, Trump purposely sent a social media message publicly condemning vice-president Pence at 2.24pm on January 6.

11. Knowing that violence was underway at the Capitol, and despite his duty to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed, Trump refused repeated requests over a multiple-hour period that he instruct his violent supporters to disperse and leave the Capitol, and instead watched the violent attack unfold on television. This failure to act perpetuated the violence at the Capitol and obstructed Congress’s proceeding to count electoral votes.

12. Each of these actions by Trump was taken in support of a multi-part conspiracy to overturn the lawful results of the 2020 presidential election.

13. The intelligence community and law enforcement agencies did successfully detect the planning for potential violence on January 6, including planning specifically by the Proud Boys and Oath Keeper militia groups who ultimately led the attack on the Capitol. As January 6 approached, the intelligence specifically identified the potential for violence at the US Capitol. This intelligence was shared within the executive branch, including with the Secret Service and the president’s National Security Council.

14. Intelligence gathered in advance of January 6 did not support a conclusion that Antifa or other leftwing groups would likely engage in a violent counterdemonstration, or attack Trump supporters on January 6. Indeed, intelligence from January 5 indicated that some left-wing groups were instructing their members to “stay at home” and not attend on January. Ultimately, none of these [leftwing] groups was involved to any material extent with the attack on the Capitol on January 6.

15. Neither the intelligence community nor law enforcement obtained intelligence in advance of January 6 on the full extent of the ongoing planning by president Trump, John Eastman, Rudolph Giuliani and their associates to overturn the certified election results. Such agencies apparently did not (and potentially could not) anticipate the provocation Trump would offer the crowd in his Ellipse speech, that Trump would “spontaneously” instruct the crowd to march to the Capitol, that Trump would exacerbate the violent riot by sending his 2.24pm tweet condemning Pence, or the full scale of the violence and lawlessness that would ensue. Nor did law enforcement anticipate that Trump would refuse to direct his supporters to leave the Capitol once violence began. No intelligence community advance analysis predicted exactly how Trump would behave; no such analysis recognized the full scale and extent of the threat to the Capitol on January 6.

16. Hundreds of Capitol and DC Metropolitan police officers performed their duties bravely on January 6, and America owes those individual immense gratitude for their courage in the defense of Congress and our constitution. Without their bravery, January 6 would have been far worse. Although certain members of the Capitol Police leadership regarded their approach to January as “all hands on deck,” the Capitol Police leadership did not have sufficient assets in place to address the violent and lawless crowd. Capitol Police leadership did not anticipate the scale of the violence that would ensue after Trump instructed tens of thousands of his supporters in the Ellipse crowd to march to the Capitol, and then tweeted at 2.24pm. Although Chief Steven Sund raised the idea of National Guard support, the Capitol Police board did not request Guard assistance prior to January 6. The Metropolitan Police took an even more proactive approach to January 6 and deployed roughly 800 officers, including responding to the emergency calls for help at the Capitol. Rioters still managed to break their line in certain locations, when the crowd surged forward in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s 2.24pm tweet. The Department of Justice readied a group of federal agents at Quantico and in the District of Columbia, anticipating that January 6 could become violent, and then deployed those agents once it became clear that police at the Capitol were overwhelmed. Agents from the Department of Homeland Security were also deployed to assist.

17. Trump had authority and responsibility to direct deployment of the National Guard in the District of Columbia, but never gave any order to deploy the National Guard on January 6 or on any other day. Nor did he instruct any federal law enforcement agency to assist. Because the authority to deploy the National Guard had been delegated to the Department of Defense, the secretary of defense could, and ultimately did, deploy the Guard. Although evidence identifies a likely miscommunication between members of the civilian leadership in the Department of Defense impacting the timing of deployment, the committee has found no evidence that the Department of Defense intentionally delayed deployment of the National Guard. The Select Committee recognizes that some at the department had genuine concerns, counselling caution, that Trump might give an illegal order to use the military in support of his efforts to overturn the election.
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Du er nok klar over at dette er en demokratstyrt prosess hvor målet ikke er å undersøke en hendelse, men å ta Trump for alt han eventuelt har gjort / man ønsker han har gjort / ikke har gjort / diverse annet propaganda?

Men antar dette ikke betyr noe for dere som har ramlet ned i grøfta på venstresiden av veien

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